Oddball Pacific: go along? (eg Tokelau, Niue)

As I go past 250 "countries", I'm left with some that are too dangerous for the moment (Yemen, main Somalia) -- for which I guess I just have to wait -- and others that are a pain to get to, or time-consuming beyond their visit value. However, these latter places might be reasonable if a number of people went together.

Example: Tokelau. You start in Samoa; you might or might not get on a really uncomfortable boat for a long ride. If islanders show up and take all the places, you're stuck in Samoa despite your "reservation". If you do get there, you can really only visit one of the island groups for a day or two until the boat gets back, unless you want to be stuck there for weeks. Then there's the return risk of no boat space. Then a really unpleasant boat return (so I hear).

If I had a number of people, I would investigate hiring a seaplane out of Apia. I would leave early one morning -- it's not far, the flight would only be a couple of hours at most -- spend the full day on one island group, spend the night. The next morning, I would head to a second island group, spend the day, then say after dinner would take the plane back to Apia. A more fulfilling visit in a fraction of the time.

Next: Niue. There is a once-a-week flight on Air New Zealand to/from Auckland for this island of 1000 people. It's got nice caves and a few other things, but from what I hear, not really worth a full week. I'd hire a regular small plane one-way from Apia to arrive there a couple of days before the ANZ flight, enjoy the place, and leave on ANZ. I've investigated the cost of this, and it's on the high side, but if divided by a number of people, could be reasonable.

There are few other places in this category. Have any of you guys ever done this? Interested?

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  • Count me in as interested on Tokelau. It is not worth it to me to deal with the boat. Please email me at stefan@rapidtravelchai.com and we can get a discussion started with non-TCC members who may also be interested.

    Niue I will go one on the twice weekly, probably ahead of Christmas and combine with Chathams and if I succeed on the timing, Christmas Island for the red crab migration and Cocos Island.

  • Yes, you can get all documents down via email for Tokelau, but the tricky thing is you have to get booking confirmation of boat (which done be the same staff) before processing permit. Get a chatter is a good idea for us but I don't know how about these islanders, everything is very slow there. Why don't try and count me. 

  • Great about Niue, I didn't realize there were 2 flights per week in high season, problem solved. But my Tokelau suggestion stands. Even more so, since as you point out, mine is the only way to visit a second atoll, so on the second day I'd visit one that doesn't get many visitors. Can all the documentation be gotten by email through that liaison office in Apia before you get to Samoa?

  • 1. Tokelau, there are two Cargo / Passenger boats per month (26 hours / one way), suppose to have another passenger-only boat on July 2015 but it was delayed. The key is not boat, it is the permit. You have to get all signatures from chief of all 3 atolls. You also need a Police Certificate and a health notes from doctor, plus confirmation of boat booking. The permit may take 10 days , even 1 month. And besides the last Atoll, you may not visite others as the return boats may not go the same route. ( maybe the Passenger-only boat will do if it be on used). I was in Apia on August 2015. That is all infirmation I got.

    2. Niue, is much easy. There are 2 flights from Auckland every week during high season, so just check Air Newzealander website, you may even get great discount. If you dive, it really worth to stay a week, if not 3 days is minimum.
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